Jeff, I think I may have heard of one or both of those guys ;-) Contact me offline at my contact information below. As for Mint, if anyone needs a really nifty mobile middleware product at a bargain basement rate, please let me know. Best, Nik Frengle Vodafone K.K. Atago Green Hills Mori Tower 2-5-1 Atago, Minato-ku Tokyo 105-6205 Tel. +81 3 6403 2816 Mobile. +81 90 1763 2873 nik.frengle@vodafone.com www.vodafone.jpReceived on Fri Jul 23 05:28:55 2004