(keitai-l) Re: European i-mode

Actually ROM space is an issue for motorola, who design/engineer a lot of
their phones in China (I guess the whole chinese Kanji set is larger than
the subset needed for japanese). This works in reverse for MOT tho, as they
seem to often launch phones in APAC first (eg "TaiChi" aka Accompli008), and
then suddenly have a bunch of extra surprise ROM when they launch in
europe...

/dc

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//    van widenfelt
//    Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:40 PM
//    To: keitai-l@appelsiini.net
//    Cc: Curt Sampson
//    Subject: (keitai-l) Re: European i-mode
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//    does anyone know if and how the euro i-mode handsets handle emoji?
//    i like Curt's idea of using a vendor-specific area of unicode,
//    but i'd like to know what really happened.
//
//    as an aside, i find it really disappointing to hear that
//    the euro i-mode
//    handsets don't support japanese fonts.
//    the phone browser could have easily detected a
//    "charset=Shift_JIS" meta tag
//    and shown japanese characters.
//    and would the extra ROM space for the full character set
//    really cost much?
//
//    -rolf
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//    Curt Sampson <cjs@cynic.net> writes:
//
//    > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:37:55 +0900 (JST)
//    > From: Curt Sampson <cjs@cynic.net>
//    > Subject: Re: European i-mode
//    >
//    >
//    >
//    > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Gustaf Rosell wrote:
//    >
//    > > The character set for international i-mode is to become UTF-8.
//    >
//    > Cool. Unfortunately, web sites in Japan are going to
//    have to deliver
//    > Shift_JIS for years, to remain compatable with old
//    phones. Whether
//    > they will gear up to provide UTF-8 instead to those phones that
//    > are capable of it, I don't know. But knowing the
//    Japanese; I rather
//    > doubt it; they don't seem to care much about making
//    Japanese-language
//    > Internet content work well outside of Japan. (The
//    widespread lack
//    > of character-set-encoding specifications on Japanese
//    web pages is
//    > a case in point.)
//    >
//    > Actually, I suppose the gateways could always convert
//    for the old
//    > phones.
//    >
//    > > Currently it is actually partly an issue of typefaces
//    in the phones and how
//    > > to handle emoji/accessskeys figures.
//    >
//    > I'd think this isn't a big problem; Unicode does have a
//    vendor-specific
//    > area for things like this. Or who knows; if European
//    i-Mode is also
//    > offering these characters and take-up is as good there as it was
//    > in Japan, these would likely be added to a future version of the
//    > Unicode standard.
//    >
//    > > For international i-mail, it is already UTF-8.
//    >
//    > Cool. I hope one day that docomo fixes their gateway to
//    accept and
//    > convert UTF-8, as it does with ISO-2022-JP and EUC-JP. Right now
//    > UTF-8 e-mail produces mojibaka, or at least it did when I just
//    > tried it.
//    >
//    > cjs
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